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Welcome to Fair Voting's Future Planning Site

 

This site is intended to facilitate discussion about strategies for achieving electoral reform at one or more of the federal, provincial or local levels.  We invite all interested people to contribute to our discussion here. ...

 

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Primary Goal

The primary goal of Fair Voting BC is to achieve the implementation of a fair voting system at each of the federal, provincial and local levels of government.

 

Routes to Change

At each level of government, there are basically three ways that electoral reform could conceivably come about:

  1. The governing party decides to implement a particular reform,
  2. The voters approve a reform proposal in a referendum, or
  3. The courts order that a change be made.

Please visit the sections below to read a discussion of each of these options in general, and follow the links to more specific proposals tailored to the different levels of government.  Your comments and contributions are warmly invited - the text below simply represents some initial thinking about these issues and is in no sense formal policy of FVBC.

 

Governing Party Decides to Implement Reform

Although historically governing parties tend to lose their taste for reform once in power, there are occasional circumstances in which they can perhaps be persuaded to change.  The UK Labour Party is currently wrestling with this question as they face significant losses in the coming election.  They are currently opting for a rather timid route, promising only to have a referendum on the mildest of reforms - the Alternative Vote - if re-elected, but some elements within the party are urging adoption of proportional representation or a referendum on PR at the time of the next election (spring 2010).

 

Alternatively, a party may come to power on the promise of electoral reform and then feel unable to back away from their promise.  This situation may apply to the federal Liberals if they feel that they would need the support of the Greens and/or the NDP to win the next election through deals aimed at avoiding competition in key ridings in return for a solid commitment to electoral reform (backed up by the ability of the partner to call for a vote of non-confidence if this commitment is not kept).  Such an option is less likely in BC because the opposition NDP party is more frequently in a position where it believes that it can win a majority outright without needing to rely on a deal with the Greens.

 

Voters Approve a Reform Proposal in a Referendum

There are currently no referendums on the horizon.  A referendum either needs to be granted by a government in response to political pressure, or a formal citizens' initiative needs to be passed.  The only jurisdiction in Canada where this is even technically possible is BC, but the hurdles are high - 10% of all registered voters in EACH AND EVERY RIDING must sign a petition within 90 days of issuance, and 50% of all registered voters overall, and 50% in two-thirds of the ridings, must approve it in the referendum.  Since turnout for provincial elections is hovering around 50%, and may drop below this for a stand-alone referendum, this means that an initiative question must achieve close to or over 100% support for it to pass.

 

There is therefore a strong argument to be made that the precursor to a successful referendum is a separate campaign to strengthen the Initiative Act in BC.  This would have the advantage of being neutral on the actual question of reform, though it divides the reform process into two significant stages.  If we could achieve a reformed initiative process in which 5% of voters in the province, with a minimum of 2% in every riding, would be enough to call a referendum, and if the referendum were carried on a majority of those voting, we would have a reasonable path to reform.

 

In parallel with the Initiative Campaign, we would have to work on a broadly consultative process in order to generate some consensus about what the best reform would be.  Unfortunately, this process would have to be largely outside government approval or support, so we would have a considerable organizational burden to overcome and we would have to be scrupulous about ensuring that no particular system was favoured in advance.  The obvious way to deal with this is to push for a two-part referendum question - the first would ask if we wanted to adopt an alternative voting system, and the second would ask for rankings of various alternatives, ideally to be counted by a well-respected voting system such as the Condorcet method (the option which wins head-to-head against all the others is the winner).

 

The Courts Order Change

If a provincial or federal court found that our current voting system violates our charter rights, they would likely order a remedy, which would most likely involve some significant element of proportional representation.  At the moment, the most plausible legal route is to support the legal challenge underway in Quebec.

 

Other Ideas: 

 

In the summer, we asked for people to submit a variety of ideas for actions or initiatives that FVBC might take on.  Feel free to browse the collection below and offer your comments:

 

 

Related Issues and Analysis

In addition to the specific proposals presented above, we would like to discuss other related issues.  Please feel free to add questions you'd like answers to or to contribute discussion papers on particular topics (please add your name if you contribute a question or paper).

 

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Comments (10)

Graeme Gardiner said

at 9:22 pm on Jun 8, 2009

Hello

I believe the BC-STV question on May 12 failed due to several reasons.

First, too much change too fast. Not only is the voting and vote counting changed to something more complex, the electoral boundaries will also change.

It ignores the old saying, keep it simple. The vote sharing algorithm is anything but, and
one loses public trust when one says, don’t worry about how the votes are counted, just rank them and we will take care of the rest.

STV also goes against the average voters natural sense of fair play. If a candidate earns a landslide victory, he/she deserves every one of those votes. Why give them away to one less deserving? This person has done a good job.

The system used by the French, (Alternative vote or instant run off), is simple to understand, keeps present electoral boundaries and maintains our sense of fair play. Voters indicate an order of preference among candidates. If no candidate obtains a majority outright, the last-place candidate is removed, and the associated second-choice votes are added to the totals of the remaining candidates. The process is repeated until a candidate secures a majority.

Under this system, change would not be radical and complex. Electoral boundaries and local representation would not change. But, no longer would candidates be able to win with a minority of votes, forcing many to consider compromise in order to win necessary second round votes. The problems of vote splitting, strategic voting, and voter apathy would be greatly alleviated. Proportional representation would significantly improve.

This system likely would not yield a proportional representation as good as STV, but it would be a significant improvement, and it would sell. If another step closer to proportional representation is required, it will be easier to sell than the "all or nothing" exercise just concluded in BC.

Graeme Gardiner

bednarski@... said

at 5:06 pm on Jun 9, 2009

Before we decide on how we should deal with the next directions for voting reform, I think we should send a one-page survey to random homes in BC. To reduce the costs, we could ask the local chapters to print the survey and hand deliver them to supposedly random homes in their communities.

We could have questions such as "Did you vote in the referendum? If you voted in the referendum, which voting system did you support? First-Past-the-Post or the Single-Transferable-Vote as approved by the Citizens Assembly on Electoral Reform? Why did you make your choice?"

We can also ask the usual statistical info: "Your community, riding, age, gender, highest education, favourite ice cream, etc."

We could supply those completing the survey with postage paid envelopes.

Michael Bednarski

Russell Bowles Miller said

at 5:13 pm on Jun 9, 2009

Sounds like a great idea, Michael. I would be more than happy to get out there and do some deliveries on something like that.

Chrystal Ocean said

at 5:29 pm on Jun 9, 2009

I most emphatically do not support mandatory voting.

Russell Bowles Miller said

at 3:10 am on Jun 16, 2009

No more conference? What were the numbers like for attendance, perhaps we could organize a little smaller gathering?

Antony Hodgson said

at 7:15 am on Jun 16, 2009

At the time the decision was made to cancel the conference, I believe there were four directors and four non-directors registered. I have suggested holding some local weekday evening discussions in free venues such as coffeehouses. If anyone would be interested in hosting one of these in the next few weeks, please let me know (antony.hodgson@gmail.com).

Ray Jones said

at 11:49 am on Jun 19, 2009

Re: Education and attitudes of voters
Our education system says it teaches 'critical thinking'. But, when it comes to politics and voting, what are produced are voters who are deferential and subserviant to the political establishment. Critical thinking is so well taught that voters cannot distinguish between a voting system which gives politicians what they want and a system which should result in reflecting the wishes of the voters. Electoral reform has a major problem if the voters are incapable of understanding the system is broken. How do we deal with that?

I am of the opinion that major media support is necessary to get across the message of needed reform. Andrew Coyne (editor of Maclean's) is in support of electoral reform. The 'At Issue' panel of Thursday June 18, Andrew mentioned one of the least reported issues was that our system is broken. My suggestion is we all write to Mr. Coyne and urge him to put his belief into action, and have Maclean's become the advocate and leader for electoral reform in Canada. (I sent a three page letter with that conclusion a few weeks ago.) Perhaps with a major media support, people will eventually take notice and understand the deficiencies of the current system. Then, when people accept the system is broken, offer information on alternatives which would work to give voters influence when we vote.

Ray Jones
(CA alumnus)

Russell Bowles Miller said

at 7:36 pm on Jul 14, 2009

Is there any news on ANYTHING having to do FVBC? When do the Committees start? Who is on them? Whats going on with the Board?

There has been very little in the way of updating on the movements of the organization, and Im sure I am not alone in saying Im ready and raring to go on some of these things...

Bruce Krayenhoff said

at 9:48 pm on Jul 15, 2009

Perhaps we could each indicate on the wiki which initiatives we are interested in, and thus identify like-minded individuals organize ourselves into groups? Hopefully the board of directors would then be able to support these groups where they lacked enough experience internally. With the deficit I suspect financial support will be quite limited...

Russell Bowles Miller said

at 6:32 pm on Jul 17, 2009

I spoke to Arjun just the other night re: the Committees, and he assured me that there are about 5-6 interested individuals wanting to get to work on the Futures and AGM Committee, and hopefully we will be starting sometime next week. Fingers crossed, but if there isn't a solid structure and/or meetings starting next week, I think it would be for the best to take it into our own hands and present ourselves to the Board, as Bruce suggests.

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